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Radiate_Truth
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 Posted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 11:40 pm Post subject: Sabra & Shatila |
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Sabra & Shatila
The Lebanese Christian Phalangist militia was responsible for the massacres that occurred at the two Beirut-area refugee camps on September 16-17, 1982. Israeli troops allowed the Phalangists to enter Sabra and Shatila to root out terrorist cells believed located there. It had been estimated that there may have been up to 200 armed men in the camps working out of the countless bunkers built by the PLO over the years, and stocked with generous reserves of ammunition.
When Israeli soldiers ordered the Phalangists out, they found hundreds dead (estimates range from 460 according to the Lebanese police, to 700-800 calculated by Israeli intelligence). The dead, according to the Lebanese account, included 35 women and children. The rest were men: Palestinians, Lebanese, Pakistanis, Iranians, Syrians and Algerians. The killings came on top of an estimated 95,000 deaths that had occurred during the civil war in Lebanon from 1975-1982.
The killings were perpetrated to avenge the murders of Lebanese President Bashir Gemayel and 25 of his followers, killed in a bomb attack earlier that week.
Israel had allowed the Phalange to enter the camps as part of a plan to transfer authority to the Lebanese, and accepted responsibility for that decision. The Kahan Commission of Inquiry, formed by the Israeli government in response to public outrage and grief, found that Israel was indirectly responsible for not anticipating the possibility of Phalangist violence. Israel instituted the panel's recommendations, including the dismissal of Gen. Raful Eitan, the Army Chief of Staff. Defense Minister Ariel Sharon resigned.
The Kahan Commission, declared former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, was "a great tribute to Israeli democracy....There are very few governments in the world that one can imagine making such a public investigation of such a difficult and shameful episode."
Ironically, while 300,000 Israelis demonstrated in Israel to protest the killings, little or no reaction occurred in the Arab world. Outside the Middle East, a major international outcry against Israel erupted over the massacres. The Phalangists, who perpetrated the crime, were spared the brunt of the condemnations for it.
By contrast, few voices were raised in May 1985, when Muslim militiamen attacked the Shatila and Burj-el Barajneh Palestinian refugee camps. According to UN officials, 635 were killed and 2,500 wounded. During a two-year battle between the Syrian-backed Shiite Amal militia and the PLO, more than 2,000, including many civilians, were reportedly killed. No outcry was directed at the PLO or the Syrians and their allies over the slaughter. International reaction was also muted in October 1990 when Syrian forces overran Christian-controlled areas of Lebanon. In the eight-hour clash, 700 Christians were killed-the worst single battle of Lebanon's Civil War.
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The Inquisitor
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RT, obmar,
Help me out here. I remember Israel invading Lebanon all the way to Beirut. This was pre-Hezbollah. The Civil War had been going on for 7 years and 10 years respectively. What was their reason for the invasion?
I found this on the net:
http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=93645
They are discussing the same events. I don't see here any comments on what brought the US involvement either, but Reagan had a burr in his tosh and felt like sending Marines over there. Way to go, cowboy. I think we can classify that manoeuver under, "Never Again."
I'll keep digging. |
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obmar
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Can I be banned even before I enroll as a member?
the response I got following your link is
You have been banned from this forum.
Please contact the administrator for more information at endersshadow@politicalcrossfire.com. |
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Radiate_Truth
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| Posted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 11:32 am Post subject: |
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Obmar...
I haven't even registered yet...
You're already banned.
Now I know what will happen to me as soon as they find out I'm an Israeli supporter, Zionist. |
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Radiate_Truth
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| The Inquisitor wrote: | RT, obmar,
Help me out here. I remember Israel invading Lebanon all the way to Beirut. This was pre-Hezbollah. The Civil War had been going on for 7 years and 10 years respectively. What was their reason for the invasion?
I found this on the net:
http://www.politicalcrossfire.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=93645
They are discussing the same events. I don't see here any comments on what brought the US involvement either, but Reagan had a burr in his tosh and felt like sending Marines over there. Way to go, cowboy. I think we can classify that manoeuver under, "Never Again."
I'll keep digging. |
PLO Tyranny in Lebanon
For Arab residents of south Lebanon, PLO rule was a nightmare. After the PLO was expelled from Jordan by King Hussein in 1970, many of its cadres went to Lebanon. The PLO seized whole areas of the country, where it brutalized the population and usurped Lebanese government authority.
On October 14, 1976, Lebanese Ambassador Edward Ghorra told the UN General Assembly the PLO was bringing ruin upon his country: “Palestinian elements belonging to various splinter organizations resorted to kidnaping Lebanese, and sometimes foreigners, holding them prisoners, questioning them, and even sometimes killing them.”
Columnists Rowland Evans and Robert Novak, not known for being sympathetic toward Israel, declared after touring south Lebanon and Beirut that the facts "tend to support Israel's claim that the PLO has become permeated by thugs and adventurers" (Washington Post, June 25, 1982). Countless Lebanese told harrowing tales of rape, mutilation and murders committed by PLO forces.
New York Times correspondent David Shipler visited Damour, a Christian village near Beirut, which had been occupied by the PLO since 1976, when Palestinians and Lebanese leftists sacked the city and massacred hundreds of its inhabitants. The PLO, Shipler wrote, had turned the town into a military base, "using its churches as strongholds and armories" (New York Times, June 21, 1982).
When the IDF drove the PLO out of Damour in June 1982, Prime Minister Menachem Begin announced that the town's Christian residents could come home and rebuild. Returning villagers found their former homes littered with spray-painted Palestinian nationalist slogans, Fatah literature and posters of Yasir Arafat. They told Shipler how happy they were that Israel had liberated them.
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The Inquisitor
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Um RT,
I don't want to rain on your parade, but the Lebanese wanted the IDF off their territory as soon as possible. Their mere presence in Lebanon gave birth to Hezbollah.
| Quote: | The Israeli invasion, in the end, worsened the situation in Lebanon; internal divisions were sharpened, the Shiites became increasingly aware of the strength of their numbers, and they have now become the largest Muslim group in Lebanon. The Shiites also became more radicalized, particularly in the south and in the southern suburbs of Beirut where many had migrated, first because of their enmity toward the PLO and then because of Israel�s prolonged occupation after the 1982 invasion.
By June 1985, Israeli troops had withdrawn from Lebanon. However, Israeli presence continued, since Israel insisted on maintaining forces in its so-called Security Zone. Israel has found it much harder to withdraw its troops than it was to send them in. The Shiites and southern Lebanese, who had originally welcomed Israeli troops as a means of dislodging the PLO, became unhappy at the disregard for their property and traditional economic patterns and at policies that seemed designed to incorporate them into the Israeli economy. There were multiple terrorist attacks against the Israeli and any other western countries� presence in Lebanon.
The Israelis achieved few of their goals by going into Lebanon. The Lebanese government remained weak and divided, and the civil war continued. The Maronites and the Phalange were unable to reestablish their former control over the country and, in any event, did not seek closer ties with Israel. Israel and American political influence in Lebanon was commensurably reduced. The Syrian presence was strengthened and was backed up by modern Soviet weapons. Finally, the large number of casualties among Lebanese and Palestinian civilians, and the widespread destruction that resulted from the Israeli invasion, not only brought worldwide condemnation of Israel but also an upsurge of sympathy and support for the Palestinian cause from all corners of the globe. |
http://www-personal.umich.edu/~rt...98PS353498PAPERS/DUSSO.AARON.HTML
I agree that the PLO was very violent at the time and that was despicable. But I also think the US and Israel overreacted, especially with Israel staying there for years, becasue that's exactly why Hezbollah came into existence. Now we have a docile PLO (Fatah) who has to give way to Hamas, a more militant organization, in Gaza and to Hezbollah in Lebanon. |
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obmar
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What the west hear and what happens
in that area is usually bias and distorted
and need to be filtered properly. |
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Radiate_Truth
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Go ahead Obmar...
I think you're the man for the job.
That conflict your speaking of is like the history of the Holocaust. Do Holocaust Revisionists deniers really give a damn about the Holocaust??? Heck NO!!! The only interest they have in the Holocaust, Jews, Zionism, that little tiny Jewish state called Israel is as a promotional tool to get them media attention, fame and line their pockets with that mean green, money.
If David Irving buying a Rolls Royce ain't proof of that...
I don't know what is...
| Quote: | Irving also took pride in the success of his books and claimed that he the fortune he made from sales of his biography on World War II German General Erwin Rommel enabled him to walk into a car showroom with a paper bag stuffed with cash to buy a "Nigger brown Rolls-Royce."
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obmar
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Radiate_Truth
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The whole Middle East crisis is about who can over dramatize the circumstances, stir the pot for attention to get a better job promotion and more money. The more colorful the adjectives or adverbs they use, the more attention the public is gonna give it, the more it sells newspapers.
They ain't thinking about their religious moral or ethic values.
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