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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 1:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did they say they dont want the land
Did they say they wanted just compensation?

Many died to establish a legitimate Palestine.


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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Radiate_Truth wrote:
Interesting you would say that...
Same goes with the Palestinians.
They don't want land, they want financial compensation.


Actually,

I think there are many Palestinians who just want to go on living where they are now. They aren't too concerned about financial rewards at this point. When an entire population faces foreign tanks, bulldozers, soldiers and helicopters on a regular basis, and many of their loved ones are killed as a result, I think they would first prefer to end the violence and the attacks so they can get on with the business of living.

From what I've read, the Palestinians are very upset that Jewish settlements are popping up everywhere in the West Bank and are separating families as a result. The many check points they have to traverse on a daily basis is also a pretty big sore spot for many, especially when you start hearing about the sick and infirm who die at these check points before they can receive proper help from a hospital.

There is also a lot of concern over their right to return to their homes which are now in territory of Israel.

Overall, I think that there are many reasons for each side to blame the other. True peace will happen when these concerns are met to the satisfaction of those who are complaining. I don't see that happening anytime soon, however.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 6:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately the media spin that makes muslims to be terrorist doesn't help the Palestinians either.

I have not forgotten Sabra and Shatila although 25 years had lapse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

obmar wrote:
Did they say they dont want the land
Did they say they wanted just compensation?

Many died to establish a legitimate Palestine.


I wouldn't call terroristing innocent people legitimate...

Don't know if I can find it, it's been what seems so long ago.
Had an article on that years ago about them wanting compensation.

You know how that goes, when it comes to the media...
You don't know what to believe any more.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 11:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i used to think the indians were the bad guys because of the movies.

only later i found out otherwise
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 29, 2007 11:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

obmar wrote:
Unfortunately the media spin that makes muslims to be terrorist doesn't help the Palestinians either.

I have not forgotten Sabra and Shatila although 25 years had lapse.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre


Your link won't open for me unless I unblock the pop-up...
This has never happened before.


Sabra & Shatila
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 5:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

obmar,

Everyone was at each other's throat throughout the 20th Century, but especially the latter half. Remember the Hotel King David massacre approved by David Ben Gurion in 1946.  Christians fighting Muslims. Muslims fighting Jews. Jews fighting Muslims. Christians fighting Jews (this slowed down a lot in the latter half of the 20th Century - but Hitler was a maniac along with Stalin. We can't forget the Soviets fighting all religions. Of course, the Jews, Muslim and Christians fought most other religions as well, or athiests as in the case of the Soviet Union,  .

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The King David Hotel explosion of July 22, 1946, which resulted in the deaths of 92 Britons, Arabs and Jews, and in the wounding of 58, was not just an act of “Jewish extremists,” but a premeditated massacre conducted by the Irgun in agreement with the highest Jewish political authorities in Palestine-- the Jewish Agency and its head David-Ben-Gurion.


That's probably what broke the back of the British and they soon gave up and sponsored Israel's entry in the UN. It's just gone downhill in the latter half of the 20th Century where war after war has ravaged the entire region. There were the tumultuous days of the late 1940s when Jews fought for recognition, actually they fought so that Great Britain would let them have the land from the Balfour Declaration of 1917. After that, every few years the Arabs (and not just Muslim Arabs) fought Israel, in other words, the US military was checking out the Soviet military.

Then Lebanon exploded in 1975. The Las Vegas of the Mediterranean Sea engulfed in a 15-year war with all religions duking it out. With the Shahs outster in 1979 the Middle East started a downhill slide in violence that is just taking off with no end in sight. We meddled in the early 1980s, but that only got a bunch of Marines killed, it didn't solve anything. Israel was also involved with Ariel Sharon. Now Hezbollah is born in Lebanon just to keep in military synch with the US and Israel.

Of course, all this time the PLO headed by Arafat was a terrorist, then a nonterrorist, then a terrorist organization, and I think  in the last few years of his life the PLO was a beneficial thorn in the side of Israel. They couldn't accomplish very much (they were only sporadic at best) and he was getting old and tired. Nevertheless, as long as Arafat was around, Israel had its reason to keep on high alert.

It's still thoroughly confusing and once you add Iraq, Afghanistan and Iran in the mix as far as war zones are concerned, the mess will be messy for a long time. Great Britain handed the US the reins over the Middle East right after WWII, you know, the whole Ghandi thing. So the British forces left the area in the capable (cough - cough) hands of the Americans. And oil is just getting to be a part of almost everything we manufacture and package.

It's very possible that the Bilderberg group forced the reading of the NIE findings. They knew this would pull the rug out from under Bush.

http://www.jerusalemites.org/crimes/massacres/6.htm
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 30, 2007 7:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

add to that Hindus, after the MuslimThroat in India, Muslims returned for the Hindu Throat, but all for one simple reason.

They forgot the real vowed enemy.

That vowed enemy made a promise to God to Misled men.
and men forgot that while the enemy never did.


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